tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post9006451024006177707..comments2023-05-23T00:42:35.564-07:00Comments on Shauna's Spot: My Thoughts on Fan FictionShauna Grangerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17741241448253259318noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post-37997622002774132592012-04-23T16:55:25.602-07:002012-04-23T16:55:25.602-07:00Did you know that publishers are looking for fanfi...Did you know that publishers are looking for fanfiction writers to write books for them? I was surprised. Of course, they are commissioned to write an idea the publisher has, because of showing how good of a writer they are through the fanfiction.<br />It has positives and negatives to it.Julie Kneeshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12429947258839594513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post-54876100266867638872012-04-12T12:04:15.928-07:002012-04-12T12:04:15.928-07:00Yep, fans have turned on writers and claimed their...Yep, fans have turned on writers and claimed their "work" was stolen. This baffles me. I know some series invite people to submit the original work, Ravenloft comes to mind, but the publishers still have control. This, unfortunately, is going to be something much more difficult to deal with now that self-publishing is here to stay. Yes, I know, I'm a self-published writer, but I wouldn't do this, just like I wouldn't peddle my work by stalking people I see on the street with ereaders in hand.<br /><br />Anonymous brings up the same point I said at the end of my last comment, reading is inspiration. I totally agree. And I see nothing wrong with that. If E.L. James had read Twilight and thought, "You know, I'd rather have a more adult, or erotic, human-vampire story, I think I'll write one," and didn't tell us all the characters are Meyer's characters set in Meyer's world, there'd be no issue. To be honest, I was left wanting after reading Twilight as well, so I found Laurell K. Hamilton, which led to Jeanine Frost and many others, not stealing her intelligent property and then making a huge profit from it. And that comes back to what I tell anyone who asks me how to write a book: write the book you want to read. Maybe I should add "but don't steal from someone else" to the end of it? :)<br /><br />As for my inspiration, believe it or not, the only books I had read that had "elementals" in them were Mercedes Lackey's Elemental Masters some ten years or so ago. What actually gave me my inspiration was studying Wicca, Angel lore, Native American beliefs, Astrology and Celtic Deities. All of them, so very different and yet all of them came back to the different directions and the elements associated with them. But that's for another blog post, *makes a quick note*.<br /><br />Anyway, this was a fun discussion! Anonymous, thanks for picking up my book, I hope you enjoy it!Shauna Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741241448253259318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post-39394514387067633202012-04-12T11:43:46.331-07:002012-04-12T11:43:46.331-07:00Well, like I said, perhaps there needs to be regul...Well, like I said, perhaps there needs to be regulation and collection of fees when someone uses an author's character/setting/etc for a fan fic. I think that would be a good thing, the author would get credit, compensation, and acknowledgement that the work was in fact, theirs first. <br />I'm interested in what you said about fans stealing the ideas while an author is mid-series. I think maybe there could be a black-out period, if the author states she or he plans to write a 5-book series, then others would be prohibited from publishing a fan fic until the completion of the series or a reasonable amount of time has passed. (One could simply say they always planned to write another one and keep it locked up until they croaked, but if 5 years or so have passed and you haven't produced a follow-up, then maybe it's just not going to happen. Maybe it's time to let someone else try their hand?)<br />The main problem I have is, every idea for a story starts somewhere. And so much of what we think and imagine is shaped by the literature we consume during our lifetime, that almost everything could, potentially, be attributed more or less to something read in another author's work. For instance, where did you hear about the Elements, and think of being able to use those powers? What was the first book you read about magic? You fell in love with the idea and dreamed life into it, one that was your own. And what if the thing that set your imagination soaring was the personality of one character, that singular attitude or endearing demeanor. And you saw whole new adventures and thrills and heartaches for them. It would be a shame to lose a fabulous story, just because you were inspired by someone you met, not on the street but in the pages of a book.<br />I do take issue with Fifty Shades of Grey. And it is based on heresay and a comparison I read, not my own personal observations, so take that as you may. But it seems like it is basically the same story, just dirtier than the original. I'd have to read it, and the Twilight series, in order to make a completely informed statement. But copying down a story and adding sex scenes is not "writing". But some of the pieces written about the Darcys or the phantom of the opera are quite good, and are technically fan fics, only because the original work is public domain, there is no fuss to kick up.<br />An interesting discussion, either way. I just bought your first book, and look forward to reading it. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post-43458100412227418322012-04-12T10:30:02.222-07:002012-04-12T10:30:02.222-07:00It's so interesting how serious people feel ab...It's so interesting how serious people feel about this. I wonder, if the particular book in question hadn't been well received by the public, or if the author had intervened before it gained such a big audience, if people wouldn't have an entirely different view of it. <br /><br />I don't mind if people disagree with me, but I will say this, fan fiction and the covering of a song are nothing alike. As was said, an artist has to get the permission of the writer and pay a fee to cover a song (don't forget what happens when people use songs without permission, even if just at a political rally). With fan fiction, people are just taking intelligent property and doing what they want with it and not, let me repeat, not giving anything back to the original owner. Which is why they always lose in court.<br /><br />Now, here is something I don't think everyone is considering when they argue that there is nothing wrong with fan fiction: one of the main reasons (besides copyright infringement) authors don't want their fans doing this is because said fans have then gone and accused the author of stealing *their* work. If someone writes a piece of fan fiction and the author isn't finished writing their series, and a particular fan happened to be on the same wavelength as them and wrote a piece of fan fiction that had a story line or a plot twist that the author was already thinking about doing then suddenly they are the ones stealing. Yes, this has happened, which is why authors tell their fans, either don't do it, or don't tell me about it. <br /><br />I know people will want to say that Stephanie Meyer is through with writing Twilight so that argument is moot, but how can anyone actually know that besides Ms. Meyer? Maybe she'll decide down the road she wants to start a new franchise in the Twilight world with Renseme's generation or a where are they now book. And what if she writes something similar to a piece of fan fiction that she knew existed and the person who wrote the fan fic tries to come after her for that? It happens.<br /><br />That's why I say think of your own stories. Sure, read to be inspired and keep up with what's hot on the market now. But to come right out and say "yes, I took this from another author" or "these are those characters, I just changed the name" is stealing, not creating a new genre.Shauna Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741241448253259318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post-84005512324635554132012-04-12T06:50:48.281-07:002012-04-12T06:50:48.281-07:00Completely disagree with you. How many people love...Completely disagree with you. How many people love Whitney Houston's version of "I Will Always Love You"? That is not her song, it was written by Dolly Parton, who also sang it beautifully...just differently. I think fan fic should be considered the same as covering a song. And like the fees one pays to do a cover, maybe there should be a fee to write a fan fic. But it should not be illegal. One sees the bones of something great, but has a new idea of what to do with it. If your original incarnation was successful, then why begrudge someone their own vision? And if yours was not successful, how petty to deny someone else the chance to make your spark into a flame. <br />For the record, I have not written a fan fic, although I might someday if I felt so inspired, and I do write my own original work. And I would take it as the ultimate compliment if someone were to love something from my work enough to spend their time using it for their own creation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post-41092476370815735892012-04-11T18:39:05.871-07:002012-04-11T18:39:05.871-07:00Semantics and loopholes – James technically remove...Semantics and loopholes – James technically removed the names but the characters, setting, scene, basically everything else stayed enough the same that we can recognize it as Twilight. Perhaps Ms. Meyer is flattered that her story made such an impression that fans are continuing it. <br /><br />Well, that’s fine if you do it at home and not use it commercially. If Ms. Meyer doesn’t do anything – and who knows if she tried and her lawyers told her no go – it will set a precedent. And that is BAD!Carmen Espositohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11607902019308543672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409845218887537222.post-68748387899053865952012-04-10T14:38:22.741-07:002012-04-10T14:38:22.741-07:00I believe some authors give permission for fans to...I believe some authors give permission for fans to write fan fiction ... and because the Twilight details were stripped from the story before publication, there's no wrong-doing here from a legal standpoint.<br /><br />What the media has done, by focusing on the fan-fic origin of the story, is simply found "an angle" for a story. The book is successful because (1) it was more popular than the zillions of other fan fic stories, demonstrating the author did have skill that exceeded the other people doing the same, and (2) the media has found a juicy angle for doing stories.<br /><br />I don't necessarily feel GOOD about this story's origin, but as a consumer, I don't have to buy a copy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com